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16/11/2015
The Enouranois group is investigating the allegations of the American scientist J. Marvin Herndon
that the atmosphere of the earth is being sprayed secretly with material derived from the fly ash discharged by coal-burning power stations http://enouranois.eu/?p=1049
In response to these allegations, the administrators of the greeklignite.blogspot.gr declare: “This is ridiculous. The ash from Greek lignite goes has for years gone into producing cement… If anyone believes that cement manufacturers would allow a material they are supplied with virtually free to be “sprayed” from the sky, then for sure we are threatened by mass psychosis. Unfortunately, as it seems, the Enouranois group has no clue about what happens to fly ash and confuses Greece with America, danger-mongering for no reason.”
So there.
What does the Greek Lignite blogspot have to say about the upcoming UN Climate Change Conference?
“At the end of the month the United Nations Climate Change Conference (COP21) will be launched in Paris. Under the predominant – in the Western world – ideology of “anthropogenic global warming” there will be an attempt to impose on other countries even more wind farms and photovoltaics, so that there can continue to be “green” workplaces in industrial countries.
December will be winter in Paris and it will be very interesting to see how the weather will be, given that meteorologists predict that this year’s El Niño will be the strongest of recent decades. I haven’t seen any prediction for France but on the other side of the Channel in Britain they are already preparing themselves for a very heavy winter! How different is it going to be in Northern France?
With one of the worst El Niños, early October snows, low temperatures, problems with transport, deaths from the cold, some “global warming” may well be welcome. And it will be very interesting to see if in the first ten days in Paris they should happen to be discussing “global warming” in the midst of some snowstorm or unusually low temperatures. And it will be even more pleasant if one of the airports should happen be closed by the snow, at the beginning or end of the Conference…”
It seems that Greek Lignite blogspot is not aware that the other side of these low temperatures at temperate latitudes is exceptionally high temperatures in the Arctic. In the winter of 2014 average temperatures in Texas were lower than at the North Pole. Temperatures in Alaska were twenty degrees lower than normal, whereas in the mainland United States temperatures were twenty degrees higher than normal.
According to the American activist Dane Wigington of the Geoengineering Watch website, these phenomena are not due to climate change but to climate modification. Through the application of aerial spraying and directed energy the jetstream is being diverted so that, apart from the short-term economic benefits of warming the Arctic, there is also the benefit of generating political confusion, i.e. reinforcing the sceptics’ (and Greek Lignite’s) view that global warming is a fraud. This is what is argued by Dane Wigington.
It is easy to understand why Greeklignite blogspot should be dismissive of the idea of coal ash being sprayed in the atmosphere. But why are the opponents of lignite so totally against investigating allegations so incriminating for the defenders of generating electricity in this way? Why are they not interested in knowing whether the supporters of lignite are really complicit in such indescribably outrageous practices? Particularly when climate activists are so much more uniformly opposed to lignite than they are, say, to nuclear energy!!!
These are questions which – we hope – Enouranois will be raising in Paris.
On the fly ash issue, I worked for years with fly ash, and for this reason and others I don’t think this is what’s being sprayed on us.
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I would like more information on this (fly ash), because your view is also the view of Dr. Katsaros.
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My feeling that fly ash is not what is being sprayed on us is mainly for a few reasons. First of all, being very familiar with fly ash first hand, what residue from it looks like and somewhat with its chemical profile, I don’t think it fits what is being found in tests of soil, water and air. Also Carnicom has found dried blood and other biological components have been added to the mix, which are certainly not from fly ash. In addition, Kristen Megan the air force whistle blower has reported tanks of aluminum dioxide and the other metals in the spray being loaded onto the tankers in pure form, not as fly ash. I think it’s a much more sophisticated list of recipes being used, definitely multiple mixes, each used for a different application, judging by the differing effects in different places. There are also a few people who can smell and taste the spray residue and are sensitive enough to detect the difference in the recipes as they fall to Earth. Fly ash doesn’t smell anything like what they are reporting.
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Aluminum, barium, and strontium were first identified in rainwater tests. I have identified 8 elements, including those three, in rainwater samples I took; their relative amounts match quite well corresponding amounts determined in the water extract of coal fly ash. There is a comparable agreement for 14 elements between dust collected with high-efficiency air filters and coal fly ash samples: http://www.nuclearplanet.com/ijerph-error_corrected.pdf
I have unpublished results comparing 26 elements in a fibrous material with coal fly ash. In America, we have an expression, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…..
The more one comes to understand, the better one becomes at uncovering disinformation. The CIA and military are happy with people believing that those three elements (Al, Ba, Sr) are being sprayed as oxides; the truth that the main ingredient is coal fly ash, (tens or hundreds of million tons of it), a toxic-nightmare, is the Achilles heel of the program. I suspect that Kristen Megan was either deceived about “tons” of those three elements or she is part of the disinformation team. (….) Coal fly ash differs somewhat in color and composition depending on the origin of its original coal. There may be different additives for specific purposes, but coal fly ash is a low cost fine-grained substance, readily available in mega-ton quantities from existing out-of-sight production facilities, that is ideal for weather modification: it holds heat in, retards rainfall, makes water droplets more electrically conducting: Ideal, if you have no conscience and no concern for humanity or for life on this planet.
(….) I have raised the bar. Those who object should publish those objections in the peer-reviewed scientific literature. That is the appropriate forum for discussion. The work I have done on that subject transcends the unfounded opinions that are common in Internet discussions. There is a concerted effort by professionals (CIA?) to discredit my work (and yours too, I’ll bet); there are others who simply do not understand, contributed in part from the absence of truth and the presence of untruth.
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Well, it may be what is being used for the main bulk ingredient as you say. It does fit the profile of an extremely toxic substance which I believe is the main characteristic our rulers at the top level are looking for. I am just doing my best to learn more, as we all are, and am not out to defend my own impressions or theories, just to find out what is true. This is way beyond anyone’s ego. And yes it is true that coal ash is available in large quantity with no problem. Customizing recipes could be done with additional ingredients. I wonder what Clifford Carnicom would think of the theory? He has been on our show and is a serious researcher into the composition of the residue. He found dry blood cells, and nanotech organisms not normally seen in nature. His opinion would be interesting.
Whatever it is they are spraying, it would be good to stop it so there can be some chance of recovery. Our rulers have no intention of doing what the people want, though, only trying to engineer public opinion by deception. Their presence in positions of power is pretty much the key problem, and they don’t intend to leave. They have already gamed this out, and expect us to come to the conclusion that we will see no option other than violent force. But that would be suicide on our part, as it is the eventuality they expect. We need a higher level of creativity.
H Ομάδα Enouranois ερευνεί τις κατηγορίες του αμερικάνου καθηγητή J. Marvin Herndon
ότι η ατμόσφαιρα της γης ψεκαζεται μυστικά με υλικό που προέρχεται από τέφρα παράγωγο της καύσης άνθρακα από εργοστάσια παραγωγής ηλεκτρικού ρεύματος. http://enouranois.eu/?p=1065
Οι υπεύθυνοι του ιστολoγίου greeklignite.blogspot.gr απαντούν σε αυτές τις κατηγορίες σχολιάζοντας: “Πρόκειται για γελοιότητα. Η τέφρα του ελληνικού λιγνίτη πηγαίνει στη παραγωγή τσιμέντου εδώ και χρόνια. … Εάν πιστεύει κανείς πως θ’ αφήσουν οι τσιμεντάδες να πεταχτεί ένα υλικό που το παίρνουν σχεδόν τζάμπα, για να “ψεκαστεί” απ’ τον ουρανό, τότε είναι σίγουρο πως κινδυνεύουμε από ομαδική παράκρουση. Δυστυχώς φαίνεται ότι η ομάδα Enouranois έχεi άγνοια περί ιπτάμενης τέφρας και συγχέει Ελλάδα με Αμερική, κινδυνολογώντας χωρίς λόγο.”
Έτσι.
Tι λέει το Greek Lignite blogspot για την επικείμενη Σύνοδο του ΟΗΕ για το κλίμα;
“ Στο τέλος του μήνα θα ξεκινήσει στο Παρίσι η Σύνοδος του ΟΗΕ για το Κλίμα (COP 21), όπου η κυρίαρχη -στο Δυτικό κόσμο- ιδεολογία της “ανθρωπογενούς υπερθέρμανσης” του πλανήτη θα προσπαθήσει να επιβάλλει και στις υπόλοιπες χώρες να βάλουν ακόμα περισσότερα αιολικά και φωτοβολταϊκά, προκειμένου να συνεχίσουν να υπάρχουν οι “πράσινες” θέσεις εργασίας των βιομηχανικών χωρών.
Το Δεκέμβριο στο Παρίσι θα είναι χειμώνας και θα έχει πολύ ενδιαφέρον να δούμε τι καιρό θα κάνει, καθώς οι μετεωρολόγοι προβλέπουν πως το φετινό φαινόμενο El Niño θα είναι το πιο ισχυρό των τελευταίων δεκαετιών. Δεν είδα κάποια …πρόβλεψη για τη Γαλλία, αλλά στην απέναντι της Μάγχης Βρετανία προετοιμάζονται ήδη για ένα πολύ βαρύ χειμώνα! Πόσο διαφορετικός θα είναι στη Βόρεια Γαλλία;
Με ένα απ’ τα χειρότερα El Niño, με πρώιμα Οκτωβριάτικα χιόνια, με χαμηλές θερμοκρασίες, προβλήματα στις συγκοινωνίες και θανάτους απ’ το κρύο, μια “υπερθέρμανση” του πλανήτη σε λίγο μάλλον θα είναι καλοδεχούμενη. Και θα έχει πολύ ενδιαφέρον αν κατά το 1ο 10ήμερο του Δεκέμβρη συμπέσει στο Παρίσι να συζητούν για “υπερθέρμανση” εν μέσω κάποιας χιονοθύελλας ή ασυνήθιστα χαμηλών θερμοκρασιών. Και θα ήταν ακόμα πιο “ωραίο” αν τύχαινε να κλείσει και κανένα αεροδρόμιο απ’ τα χιόνια, στην αρχή ή το τέλος της Συνόδου …»
Θα πρέπει να γίνει κατανοητό από το Greek Lignite blogspot ότι η άλλη όψη αυτών των χαμηλών θερμοκρασιών σε έυκρατα γεωγραφικά πλάτη είναι εξαιρετικά υψηλές θερμοκρασίες στην Αρκτική. Το χειμώνα του 2014 οι μέσες θερμοκρασίες στο Τέξας ήταν πιο χαμηλές από αυτές στο Βόρειο Πόλο. Στην Αλάσκα οι θερμοκρασίες ήταν είκοσι βαθμούς πάνω από το κανονικό ενώ στις κεντρικές πολιτείες των ΗΠΑ είκοσι βαθμούς κάτω.
Σύμφωνα με τον αμερικανό ακτιβιστή Dane Wigington της ιστοσελίδας Geoengineering Watch, αυτά τα φαινόμενα οφείλονται όχι στις κλιματικές αλλαγές αλλα στην τροποποίηση του κλίματος. Χρησιμοποιώντας τους αεροψεκασμούς σε συνδυασμό με την κατευθυνόμενη ενέργεια εκτρέπονται οι αεροχείμμαροι προκειμένου, εκτός από τα βραχυπρόοθεσμα οικονομικά οφέλη της θέρμανσης της ατμόσφαιρας της Αρκτικής, να δημιουργηθεί και πολιτική σύγχυση, δηλαδή να ενισχυθεί η άποψη των σκεπτικιστών (όπως το Greek Lignite blogspot) ότι η παγκόσμια υπερθέρμανση είναι παραμύθι. Αυτός είναι ο ισχυρισμός του Wigington.
Είναι εύκολα κατανοητό, γιατί το Greeklignite blogspot απορρίπτει μετά βδελυγμίας την ιδέα ότι τέφρα άνθρακα ψεκαζεται στην ατμόσφαιρα. Για πιο λόγο όμως οι αντίπαλοι του λιγνίτη, δεν δείχνουν διάθεση να ερευνήσουν αυτές τις κατηγορίες τόσο ενοχοποιητικές για τους αντιπάλους τους; Γιατί δεν τους ενδιαφέρει να ξέρουν αν οι οπαδοί του λιγνίτη όντως υποστηρίζουν τέτοιες εξωφρενικές πολιτικές; Ειδικά όταν προφανώς οι ακτιβιστές για το κλίμα έχουν τόσο μεγαλύτερο μένος ενάντια στο λιγνήτη απ’ο τι ενάντια στην πυρηνική ενέργεια!!!
Αυτά τα ερωτήματα – ελπίζουμε – θα τεθούν προς συζήτηση στο Παρίσι από την ομάδα Enouranois.
ΑΣ ΕΠΑΝΑΦΕΡΟΥΜΕ ΤΗΝ ΑΝΤΙΚΕΙΜΕΝΗΚΟΤΗΤΑ ΣΤΗΝ ΕΠΙΣΤΗΜΗ!!!
Karen: I need some help in response to this please. Facts only. This is someone who is adamant that the scientific community cannot be wrong about climate change and that carbon dioxide is causing it. Absolutely against Geoengineering possibility and believes nothing bad about Paris treaty.
This was the last response:
“Over 97% of climate scientists accept the science of global warming and that fact is established by a number of independent studies. Your suggestion that thousands of climate scientists are somehow all corrupt is utterly unrealistic and simply not true. There is utterly no evidence that suggests CO2 is not playing the major role in warming our planet. Yes, if you want to listen to the denialist blogs, they will tell all sorts of stories but scientific facts are very clear and supported by every scientific institution on the planet. You are certainly entitled to your opinion on the issue but you cannot have your own facts.”
Emily: I wouldn’t bother because they are clearly ‘blindsighted by science’ (or what they think is science) as if it were a religion. If they cared about research they would do it themselves.
Karen: I want to bother though because it’s the first time a friend of mine has been open enough to post anything on it and put herself out there so she needs support.
Shane: Do you know the effects of carbon emissions have on trees? They love it, they grow faster and healthier balancing the thermal and oxygen input / output. I would provide links but I am working from my phone.
Karen: I do but I need some really good evidence. I am not silly enough to punch above my weight. I am not a scientist so like most people here I get laughed at and don’t always have the exact scientific numbers in front of me. I am a mum who is concerned about the future of this planet for my children, their health, my health and how the hell we get people to ‘see’ this. Thank you, if you do have some links I will very much appreciate them.
Julie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pruTqY_JLcg&feature=youtu.be
Karen: Thank you.
Julie: I’d point her in the direction of this initially. Then to something called “climategate” where a group of scientists hid the decline in a graph indicating that global temperatures are going down not up. There is also a petition signed by a number of scientists who are saying that the official story is not settled. Can’t remember where I’ve seen it though. Don’t trust Wikipedia though. Anything the agenda wants pushing is changed on Wikipedia.
Sezur: It’s always just OUR opinions or facts isn’t it? I would respond in the following manner: Yes the globe is in meltdown. How else would ice caps be melting, methane hydrates thawing, record-shattering temperatures in countries and oceans around the world being measured, sea levels rising, hotter water fish being found in normally cold waters, etc. However, if carbon was the primary factor for global warming, according to YOUR establishment’s scientists, for every degree Celsius rise there should be 7 percent more moisture in the atmosphere therefore raining more often. Carbon-laden rain would stimulate more growth hence absorbing more carbon. That is earth’s natural way of self-repair. But what do we have instead? Record droughts and the occasional deluge. Oceans are layering and building up with heat. The El Nino should have occurred long ago but what is stopping it? The ozone layer is being torn apart. The UV is far more intense every summer. What is causing this? Surely its not only CFCs or HFCs (refrigerant gases) considering the rate of UV intensity. I work in the industry and I for one can tell you how strict they are becoming around Western countries with the handling of the gases. Surely this same scientific community know there’s something missing in this equation and what it is. The reason why they don’t speak out is because: A. some of them are very heavily brainwashed. B. Compartmentalisation, therefore the bigger picture cannot be formed amongst them with their collective data. C. A lot of them are afraid to speak out as they have signed non-disclosure agreements. D. A lot people only care about self-preservation so they turn a blind eye to the corruption they witness, worry about the pay check and retirement. E. Some do speak out and we see what happens to whistle blowers. At best their reputation is ruined, at worst they incidentally suicide by shooting themselves 3 times in the head. Any person that has a basic sense of reasoning and acknowledges the human condition’s potential to create evil, especially on grand scales as it has occurred in history, should have the common sense to estimate the possibility of global coordinated crime, especially in a world where people are subjected to fear and are controlled by money. Otherwise don’t bother with them.
Karen: Thank you Sezur.
Julie: Brilliant. It’s true actually. I used to really get uptight about trying to convince people but I started to realise that that was my Story… Wanting to be “right”… Now I realise that all you can do is give them information and let them do what they will… Sometimes it sticks and they will go on to research themselves… Sometimes it won’t …l learnt to live MY truth. They will get to theirs one day. But I continue to talk about and I know that it’s their fear that stops them believing. Don’t forget the massive change in worldview that happens when you wake up.
Sezur: I always respond to such deniers by saying our perception is irrelevant.The truth is relevant and I strive to align my perception with the truth. Generally if I feel that they keep adding stones to their wall as I speak I keep it short and move on. Either way the truth will eventually rip their heads out of the ground.
Julie: A lot are paid to disagree in this medium.
Wayne: If all else fails there is an alternative approach that I try out in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX52VTYTAj0 It makes it clear that it is irrelevant which side of the mainstream climate debate you are on because there is a built in irrationality in the debate as a whole. The following presentation also, from Amsterdam http://enouranois.eu/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/next_step_for_the_movement.pdf has a couple of useful links: one in which Paul Mac extracts from a member of the IPCC an acknowledgement that “geoengineering” is already being implemented: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtbRDAwjaNM&list=UUC2Q2KRhniYuqpJP6LoXKjw It also includes an anti-ecologist rave from a Berkeley activist that might make an impression. http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2014-11-14/article/42701 This last-mentioned I leave to your discretion because the activist concerned, Vivian Warkentin, might be too easily classifiable as a “climate denialist”, despite her display of “liberal credentials”.
Karen: Thank you so much.
Fiona: Max Bliss mentions several academic papers or documents in his video. You could glean info here or send it to your friend to watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg_xpkxWhe8
Wayne: “Punching above one’s weight” is exactly what happens when the rank-and-file chemtrails activist tries to get involved in the mainstream climate debate. It is not necessary. In any case both sides of that debate are corrupted. They studiously avoid any contact with our problematic. They would much rather argue with each other endlessly and heatedly than have a sober discussion with us.
Karen: Which is why I don’t want an argument about it because I realise this but supporting people who are awakening to what’s going on is very much needed. I have noticed that when the heat gets put on and questions asked by ‘shills’ or whatever they are called today that everyone runs for the hills and doesn’t come out of private Facebook groups to support, encourage and educate. No fighting required, needed or wanted but support from a knowledgeable community is. Kind regards.
Fiona: Yes it is hard when people do not turn up for events and stay behind facebook cover. We have to get so determined to make an impact to change the status quo – for our kids and grandkids. Righteous anger is what drives me to do whatever it takes. The next thing I intend to do is go to our local MP for a meeting armed with documents I have printed and quote out of them face to face. Let them know that I know this is a classified program and I won’t buy the contrail fluff script they have ready for us. Then make them accountable to bring it up at parliament. Worth a shot anyway.
Paul Mac: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiFJ4AJagIw
Karen: Thank you so much.
Paul Mac: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUjf_ldXMd0 The data is clearly being twisted and cooked to suit the “peer reviewed” science communities and govcorps own ends. Karen, one can present gold plated truth and it will be denied as fabrication by these people. The agenda must be pushed forward by them in no uncertain terms….and we must resist.
Wayne: Nevertheless, political alliances with climate sceptics who are not first and foremost chemtrails activists do not seem to be feasible. They will agree with all of the analysis about the cooking of the books to suit the “peer reviewed” science communities. They will aggressively put forward this critique themselves. But they will NOT accept that global spraying is an established reality. Meanwhile the predominant side in the climate debate, the side that is organizing COP21, are perpetually on the lookout for evidence that we, the “conspiracy theorists”, are enemies because we are climate change sceptics.
Karen: So essentially we are trying to be honest and do the right thing but we are fighting an unbeatable beast? No wonder I get down about all of this. Hope is just about gone in me. All I truly give a shit about is stopping this crap impacting my family’s life and health and ensuring there is any kind of decent future for my children. The science stuff shits me to tears because I recognise both sides are bought and paid for. I have no idea who to trust any more so I trust no one, but I am a mum at her wit’s end watching tyrannical governments, insane scientists and idiotic people tax the crap out of our lives, drop chemicals on our heads and knowingly participate in destroying the planet. I think I am close to shutting all this off, going to my farm and hoping I can live in peace because nothing else is making much sense anymore. Thanks for the help guys. I will just leave it alone, I think. The beast is bigger than me.
Paul Mac: It doesn’t mean we do not try, this is why we have been attending climate change rallies and handing out information to people who clearly only have half the picture and half a lie…our silence (otherwise) becomes consent.
Wayne: Paul Mac’s attitude of determination is right. I think it is better not to weaken ourselves by trying to win two arguments at the same time, but giving up is worse.
Karen: Kinda feel like I am damned if I do and I am damned if I don’t. I have been belittled and attacked by both sides (of climate change and of geoengineering) now on multiple occasions (mostly because I am not a ‘scientist so therefore how do I know anything’) and have continued to be passionate about what I have learned, what I see and have personally experienced while living in the USA and Europe and how my health and my family’s health has been impacted, but as everything ramps up I feel very lost some days in a sea of insanity that I am starting to wonder about absolutely everything and everyone’s intentions – no friggin wonder the world is in the state it is in. I have attended every March Against Monsanto (one in London) and also some climate change gatherings in Europe, one meet up here in Melbourne but the numbers at every single event were so embarrassingly dismal it took me a while to regain belief in myself that my voice can actually do anything in the sea of minions and against the immense power and corruption that exists. Not a nice feeling as a mother of small children when I am not sure some days how to explain the world to my children. Thank you for your information I have seen some of them but will go through it all.
Wayne: Jolanda are you assimilating what we are talking about?
Jolanda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCy_UOjEir0&app=desktop
This guy has facts:
Wayne : Jolanda, Greek lignite is actively campaigning against the “greatest hoax of the 21st century”. But do you see what he says to us? http://enouranois.eu/?p=1049 Please don’t just post another link. If there is an economic incentive behind the spraying of coal ash in the atmosphere (a profitable way of disposing of it) then the climate change debate is irrelevant and the “greatest hoax of the 21st century” even more irrelevant.
Paul Mac:
Some great information and discussion in this thread.
Δημόσια συγκέντρωση στην Αθήνα στο θέμα των ισχυρισμών του αμερικάνου καθηγητή J.Marvin Herndon ότι το βασικό υλικό των μυστικών αεροψεκασμών είναι τέφρα άνθρακα.
Αντίδραση του “Greek Lignite” (http://greeklignite.blogspot.gr/)
Greek Lignite: Ευχαριστώ για το βίντεο και την αναφορά στο ιστολόγιο. Δυστυχώς τόσο εσείς όσο κι ο κ.Κατσαρός φαίνεται να έχετε άγνοια περί ιπτάμενης τέφρας και συγχέετε Ελλάδα με Αμερική, κινδυνολογώντας χωρίς λόγο. Προτείνω να ενημερωθείτε καλύτερα και καλό είναι ν’ απευθυνθείτε στον αρμόδιο Τομέα του Τμήματος Χημικών Μηχανικών ΕΜΠ.
Wayne Hall: Αν έχετε παρακολουθήσει όλο το βίντεο θα δείτε ότι ο κύριος Κατσαρός λέει το ίδιο με σας, δηλ, ότι οι κατηγορίες δεν ισχύουν για την Ελλάδα. Σας υπερασπίζεται ο κύριος Κατσαρός και θα έπρεπε να το ανγνωρίσετε. Εγώ μεταβιβάζω τους ισχυρισμούς του καθηγητή Herndon και κάνω ερωτήσεις. Αν ίσχύουν αυτά που λέει ο κύριος Herndon, εστώ χωρίς ενεργή ανάμειξη της Ελλάδας, τότε δεν κινδυνολογούμε χωρίς λόγο. Δεν είναι έτσι;
Greek Lignite: Καλό θα ήταν είτε να ενημερώνεστε καλύτερα για θέματα τα οποία δεν γνωρίζετε είτε να μην δίνετε διαλέξεις για τέτοια εξειδικευμένα θέματα.
Wayne Hall: O κύριος Κατσαρός δεν είναι ανημέρωτος για τον κλάδο σας και, όπως είπα, σας υπερασπίζεται. Μήπως αμφισβητείτε το ότι σας υπερασπιζεται; Από την άλλη μεριά, πόσο ενημερωμένος είστε για τα ζητήματα που απασχολούν τον κύριο Herndon;
Public meeting in Athens, Greece, on the subject of J. Marvin Herndon’s conclusion that the material being used in the ongoing clandestine global spraying is fly ash from coal-fired power plants. Key speaker Dr. Nikos Katsaros.
Reaction from “Greek Lignite” (http://greeklignite.blogspot.gr)
Greek Lignite: Thank you for the video and the reference to our blog. Unfortunately both you and Mr. Katsaros seem to be unaware of the facts concerning fly ash and confuse Greece with America, danger-mongering for no reason. I suggest that you become better informed. It would be good for you to refer to the responsible section of the Chemical Engineering Department of the National Polytechnic.
Wayne Hall: If you have watched all the video you will have seen that Mr. Katsaros says the same as you, i.e. that the allegations do not apply for Greece. Mr. Katsaros defends you and you should acknowledge it. I communicate the assertions of Mr. Herndon and ask questions. If what Mr. Herndon says is true, albeit without active involvement of Greece, then we are not danger-mongering for no reason. Isn’t that so?
Greek Lignite: It would be good for you to become better informed on matters you don’t know about and not hold lectures on such specialized subjects.
Wayne Hall: Mr. Katsaros is not uninformed about your field and, as I said, he is defending you. Do you dispute that he is defending you? On the other hand, how well informed are you on the matters that concern Mr. Herndon?
Some input from Belgium:
The comment of Josefina Fraile was right. We do need in-depth research into the disposal of coal ash, all over the world. This, I guess, would be a good subject for an EU law proposal. I know a little about this business since I live only some 200 meters away from a gigantic fly ash, open air, disposal site!
This “forest” is built on a six-meter-thick layer of radioactive coal fly ash. It also stands six metres high from the surrounding fields like a basin with sloping earth walls. Entry is strictly forbidden except for the baron who owns this land. Dr. Katsaros is mistaken when he concludes that no-one in his right mind would ever use coal ash for spraying purposes. If one knows about, and considers, the atrocities the United States has committed in this connection, dumping fly ash in the atmosphere is only a minor calamity.